tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post2894085875713603819..comments2024-01-15T20:47:39.806-08:00Comments on The Perfect Ratio: Most People In This Country Are Probably Racist and Misogynist, But It's Only Okay to Be Misogynist.Lauren Banshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00734429345141979854noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-70359608967118259312008-01-12T14:07:00.000-08:002008-01-12T14:07:00.000-08:00I still think her new fangled conservatism is more...I still think her new fangled conservatism is more of a political ploy, than a real change of heart and that Obams and Hills would be pretty similar in office.....<BR/><BR/>Also in reference to your first comment about how Steinem didn't address why Hillary's gender made her vote for the war or why she sponsored the flag-burning amendment-- Steinem's "gender-based analysis" in NO way is an attempt to apologize for Hillary's actions by chalking it up to a result of gender discrimination. She doesn't have to give reasons for Clinton's votes, because that's not what the column is about! At all! And that would be a pretty unfeminist piece by not giving Hillary agency in any of her decisions.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that it's a vote for the establishment. Like I said, if you're positioning votes symbolically like that voting for Hillary is like voting for the same old political insiderism we've had for the last 2 decades. But voting for her is also a protest against the disgusting way she's been demeaned by the media and culture in this election because of her gender, and the larger pervasiveness and acceptance of misogyny in this society. So....I think that's the choice. That's all!Lauren Banshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734429345141979854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-29475169973162508482008-01-12T13:56:00.000-08:002008-01-12T13:56:00.000-08:00That's what drives me crazy--her centrist bullshit...That's what drives me crazy--her centrist bullshit is wasted on independents, who don't like her. Obama, on the other hand, does great with them, AND he's more liberal than she is. As soon as Edwards drops out Obama will be the only candidate to represent the left wing of the party AND draw high favorables from Republicans.<BR/><BR/>You have to realize their foreign policy would be vastly different. As Hillary should know, domestic policy is more of a legislative concern--she's a hawk, and look at who stands behind her at those victory speeches--war criminals! <BR/><BR/>A vote for Hillary is a vote for the establishment. And, I dare say, tokenism on the part of the DLC and McAuliffe's corporate buddies.djw_bklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13530570588960470815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-6151579246573583172008-01-12T11:06:00.000-08:002008-01-12T11:06:00.000-08:00Hillary's a politician, no one is denying that. Th...Hillary's a politician, no one is denying that. The flag burning amendment was obviously an attempt to seem more centrist, the majority of Dems supported the war. I don't agree with her on these things obviously, and I like Obama's positions on them better (though he has said some weird conservative stuff about religion before-- can we excuse him for playing politics there and still blame Hillary for doing so? Well you do, obvs.) But ultimately, in my opinion, if either Obama or Clinton get elected, they are not going to run the country in ways that are that distinct from each other. And while I don't agree with everything Clinton has voted for in Senate, she's a fucking brilliant person, and I in no way doubt that she would make a smart president. The sole reason I was supporting Obama rather than Clinton before is that I think it would be refreshing to have somewhat of a political outsider run the country for a change. And now I'm deciding to sub out that reason for the simple fact that I despise the way she has been painted in this election, which really has little to do with her character, and more to do with wanting to bring down a powerful woman.<BR/><BR/>I really don't care who you call a corporate whore, that is a lameade comparison and has nothing to do with the fact that her breasts, frown lines, appearance can make headlines, or the fact that we're up against a social standard that allows Chris Matthews to pinch her cheek demeaningly. The media campaign against her has been downright misogynist, just as it was when she was trying to establish universal health care, and the thing is that Matthews would have done that to any powerful female contender. That is what I'm voting against, by voting for Clinton.Lauren Banshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734429345141979854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-1028089288736446262008-01-12T08:11:00.000-08:002008-01-12T08:11:00.000-08:00While the op-ed is a fine apologia for Hillary, (n...While the op-ed is a fine apologia for Hillary, (never mind that the title "Women Are Never Front-Runners" is an obvious lie), the problem with Clinton isn't that she's a woman.<BR/><BR/>It's not in Steinem's interest to address the problems with Hillary because they don't fit into her gender-based analysis--what does Hillary's war-mongering have to do with her being a woman? Hell if I know, but Gloria never explains it to me. And that's the problem. What would she say about Hillary's attempt to put flag-burners in Federal Prison? <BR/><BR/>Is it gender-appropriate or innappropriate to call her a "corporate whore" with the same irony you might for any male politician? She's been the top fundraiser in the Democratic Party for years now--how do we address that? <BR/><BR/>Incidentally, what about Carol Moseley Braun? She had to apologize when she said "I think because he couldn't say nigger, he said corrupt" about George Will.<BR/><BR/>Also: "because racism stereotyped black men as more “masculine” for so long that some white men find their presence to be masculinity-affirming" Come on! She could have said "because racism stereotyped black men as more “masculine” for so long that some white men find their presence to be threatening" and it would have been just as true.<BR/><BR/>The reason Obama gets to use his outsider advantage is because he's actually an outsider, ESPECIALLY compared to Hillary. Hillary is so inside the machine that she was married to the President. (Imagine what they would say about Obama if he had married Jimmy Carter and then ran for office?)<BR/><BR/>The woman who asked that infamous question in New Hampshire <A HREF="http://cbs5.com/politics/clinton.crying.voter.2.626577.html" REL="nofollow">voted for Obama</A>:<BR/><BR/>"I took a walk on the beach and all I though was how Obama made me feel and I thought about Hillary's response to me, and I thought she was a soft feminine woman for seven seconds," she said. "When she turned, she adapted this political posture again, the stiffness and the rhetoric, and I said I really want to vote for Obama."<BR/><BR/>Almost shed a tear because she wasn't sailing through to the nomination as easily as she thought, gimme a break.djw_bklynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13530570588960470815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-89879470762998125792008-01-10T07:29:00.000-08:002008-01-10T07:29:00.000-08:00HAHAHAHA. TOTALLY! I mean maybe even crying in fro...HAHAHAHA. TOTALLY! I mean maybe even crying in front of Kim Jong-Il would save us from being nuked. Maybe he is just a big Dumb Man Baby waiting to let his emotions out?....Lauren Banshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734429345141979854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-17437926685780716692008-01-10T07:20:00.000-08:002008-01-10T07:20:00.000-08:00Laughing YOUR ass off. Not his ass. But maybe you'...Laughing YOUR ass off. Not his ass. But maybe you'd laugh so hard, you'd laugh every ass off in a 50 mile radius.I don't know. I'm sick!WendyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985099019783464580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2882078888011160821.post-20908635301228805962008-01-10T07:19:00.000-08:002008-01-10T07:19:00.000-08:00I so agree with you on the misogyny issue. I'd go ...I so agree with you on the misogyny issue. I'd go into it at greater length but I feel too crappy to write anything serious. Is it really possible to have a bad cold on Dec. 25 that lasts for a week and get a new cold on Jan. 9? Is that fair? Is it all the same cold? Anyway, I do have the strength to say the thing about Hilary crying (and I don't think tears welling and voice cracking really counts as "crying")? Some jackholes have said the most obnoxious things...what if she cried while talking to Kim Jong-il. First of all, no one would cry talking to him because his hair is so ridiculous you'd be laughing his ass off. And so what if anyone cried for two seconds at anything? Jesus! Like that would ruin the world.WendyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985099019783464580noreply@blogger.com